All this is a purely hypothetical thought-experiment, of course. If e.g. Im not sure what you mean by normal. (This sounds harsh, but I want a child at least as normal as I am). We just rarely see them because they dont hang out with us losers. We had children at around 30. These questions interest me because I know a lot of people who are bright nerdy programmers married to other bright nerdy programmers, and sometimes they ask me if their children are at higher risk for autism. Of the autistics I personally know (through common support groups), the Aspergers all have a parent who is an engineer or computer scientist of some sort. Why? While our latest study shows that autistic people, on average, have a shift towards a masculinised profile of scores on empathy and systemising tests, they are not extreme males in terms of other typical sex differences. Autism prevalence increase, Deisseroth's "Projections", systems It could be one of the categorization problems Scott was talking about in Against Against Autism Cures. If youre not low-functioning but dont have strong enough autistic traits to be clearly a high-functioning autistic, you dont have autism youre just a little weird? It seems that a process like this could conceptually produce an artificial bimodal distribution, even if the traits arent bimodally distributed. However, once it exceeds a certain threshold, the network starts learning things that dont make any sense, and then when it tries to correct those mistakes it goes too far in the other direction again. That should give us more geniuses, but not a shift in the distribution where now we get a Gauss/von Neumann/Newton/Kant/Einstein born in every town. n=1 description of autism and speculation on etiology. The Tower vs Foundation model is probably an oversimplification of something like this. She has absolute pitch, [] an amazingly high proportion of her autistic students have it to some degree. Lets say for example that parameter A is the learning rate in the part of the brain that deals with reasoning. https://medicine.uiowa.edu/psychiatry/content/ui-research-suggests-huntingtons-disease-gene-also-vital-human-development-and-intelligence. From a certain perspective, it merges with normal. Arizone State University Autism symptoms reduced nearly 50% two years after fecal transplant Theres one other possible source of systematic bias in the data: living and available parents, especially fathers. Probably wrong ideas generated from your writing here: We know that core elements of cognition not only do develop early in life, but *have* to develop in life. So the genes are a correlation but not a cause of the autism, which is due to factors incidentally related to the high IQ, for example the advanced age of the parents? Draft. To the best of my knowledge, the whole Idiocracy concept (humans are selecting against intelligence because smart people have fewer children) is basically nothing more than a just-so story made up by concerned pseudo-intellectuals. Since the definition of autism (as noted by Scott and discussed elsewhere in the comments) is primarily symptomatic, that means you only get the diagnosis if you display symptomatic behaviors meeting a certain noticeable threshold. Why on Earth people take a decomposition of intelligence quotient such as the v-p-r, while itself fairly reasonable sounding but also very broad, and take seriously attempts to shoehorn that as the biological mechanism behind a very handwavy metaphor-like explanation such as tower and foundation?It is blatantly obvious that v-p-r is a very crude model that should not make sense. Sights and sounds are processed in the brain area that first receives it without sending it further to attach meaning. Their free career guide show you how to choose a career that's fulfilling and maximises your contribution to solving the world's most pressing problems. [Thanks to Marco DG for proofreading and offering suggestions]. His processing was below average. Slate Star Codex Assortative Mating And Autism Posted on January 28, 2020 by Scott Alexander Introduction Assortative mating is when similar people marry and have children. . Interestingly, other/unspecified PDD and atypical autism also have a significantly higher PRS for neuroticism than childhood autism and Aspergers. ASD core diagnostic symptoms are not uniquely linked and are only very rarely expressed without nondiagnostic symptoms. When she was three, she had symptoms of autism. Plenty of people are both smarter and more charismatic than us. Some of the software I am running to handle those tasks manually requires huge amounts of processing power, resolution, intelligence, and or ability to abstract. Someone at the 99.0 percentile for intelligence would probably seem quite mediocre by SSC standards. Assortative Mating And Autism | Slate Star Codex During a conversation on something or other he told my friend that he knew what my friend was going to say, then ended up saying thats not what Id thought youd say afterward. This seemed to balance out by late middle-school/early high-school. the non-verbal. I didnt understand why you left out the actual finding, which seems to be an important fact to note. Precision of it? What do you guys think of the recent research linking autism to gut bacteria? I have many fewer data points on low functioning autistic people, who I have mostly met through church. also, i just read through the swedish study cited in the post. Only 3% of autistic people were found to have IQs above 115, even though 15% of the population should be at this level. people that are 30% autistic have average IQ X. In sum, the heterogeneity of risk factors, brain impairments, and non-diagnostic symptoms in an ASD-defined sample blocks valid scientific inference. https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/race-class-contribute-disparities-autism-diagnoses/. But even adjusting for these factors, the autism low intelligence correlation seems too strong to dismiss. Well, I think its certainly a reasonable possibility, which in my experience appears to be true, that beyond a certain point, intelligence either directly causes weirdness or is reliant upon it as a foundation. I talk more about this in parts 2 and 3 here. This study of 45,000 Danes finds that genetic risk for autism correlates at about 0.2 with both IQ and educational attainment. This reminds me of something a past friend mentioned. Autistic people have weird developmental trajectories. That said, I too doubt the extreme male brain hypothesis in a general sense, although it may be true in a more limited sense (where autism consists of more masculine features for certain parts of the brain, but not all of them). Why do people keep thinking charisma is normality, out or curiosity? My original post talked about dual axes, functionality and intelligence, with non-functional high intelligence becoming, effectively, a distinct kind of low intelligence. Article I wrote about Sleep Apnea, Autism, and Neurodiversity. What do My parents were optometrists. 10 hours ago View Detailed Check-in. This is just the cystic fibrosis thing again, isnt it? Trump = President Camacho, the contemporary media is just as idiotic as the media in that movie, etc. He (I presume) seems to be a bad conversationalist, likely through lack of practice. SYNPSH Company Profile | CROIX, HAUTS DE FRANCE, France | Competitors Im somewhere on the autism spectrum and have high levels of anxiety. Thumbs up to this perspective. however, ASD without these two confounders shows no correlation with IQ. Theres some evidence for this between 2002 and 2017, we saw a decrease in the diagnosis gap between rich and poor white people, but the gap between rich and poor Hispanics and rich and poor Blacks remained constant. Tongue in cheek (Swift Modest Proposal) style interventions given this model are: This intelligence is shifted towards technical subjects. However, I couldnt beat the Sophomore at 130 who was my workout partner in the weight room and only had 5-10 lbs on me in most lifts. Umm, what? In Iceland., https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/01/10/1612113114.full. Two months later, the child started recovering. He initially appeared to learn the names of items when we attached labels with printed words on them around our house. And since mental traits like intelligence, social aptitude, and self-control are the ones most likely to be selected for in society, it makes sense that our imbalances would primarily be mental. Fall short of that threshold and you have a pile of severely broken processes. When I was in high school one of my coaches called them, air muscles. Its when a guy can bench 300, squat 500, etc and still get overpowered by a guy who does half that. I would expect a challenge, in testing the intelligence of Autistics. and they seem just as likely to have unplanned children as less intelligent people with equally bad impulse control. The normies were not spergs running emulations, theyd have the same confused look whenever we sperged-out about something that we had when they talked about sportsball. Reading about this seems a little bit strange at first, but I must say, I teach in the mathematics department of a university, and I observe this everyday in my best students. 9 6 5 4 3 marries 9 2 5 4 3, children high chance of 10+ on first and autistic, children that are not autistic are just barely on the bright side of normal. This always seemed nonsensical to me, because muscle is muscle; if two people are equally large, it shouldnt matter whether they were born that way or got that way through exercise. Comparing intelligence to running fast understates the issue, it is much more like a complex rules-based game such as football, baseball, etc. Insofar as autism has a coherent definition, it is a category that embraces a variety of behavioral and neural processing anomalies. Theyre often chatting about the latest sportsball game or what their kids are doing or their vacation plansconversations that wouldnt seem unusual anywhere in the US. Are you sure any of that is a real thing? I am not, but we both initially bonded over (I dont know a way to put this delicately or more exactly) being objectively very smart people that dont perform intelligence very well, albeit different ways. But such an explanation is premature. The line here has an extra close-paragraph symbol, > (though see the discussion here) for some debate over how seriously to take this; I am less sure this is accurate than most of the other statistics mentioned here), which I assume is the one missing from the later section here. Evidence suggests the null hypothesis. Maybe one bias from my statement is Im young, and many of my smart friends are also young. I get to see what happens to those kids otherwise, they become adults who ace every math exam, but are unable to buy pants. If you get a high intelligence person who is smart enough to create a game-changing technology for example, militarized AI or super-forecasting technology then they dont need to get along with low-intelligence people: instead, low-intelligence people need to get along with them. I have a day job and SSC gets free hosting, so don't feel pressured to contribute. Non-verbal people requiring institutionalization? This fear is reinforced by the fact that of my 12 cousins, 1 is severely autistic, another one is autistic, but can function, 2 are diagnosed aspie and another 1 is an edge-case. They may also have eccentric opinions or interests but theyre more likely to pursue them obsessively or compulsively without good reason, and they have trouble with self-awareness and awareness of others. GS-14 speaking, and Im not exactly normal either. This is what we find; see Table 4 here. 2. This is very very crude model that does not take into account how DNA and sexual reproduction works: it is middle of the night and that stuff is not my strong suit; however, I like this description and with my limited understanding, it may even carry some resemblance to reality: I will bet a considerable sum of money that a model where one simply assumes that Q = f(g_1, g_n) = a_1 g_1 + + a_n g_n for unknown constants a_i does not describe how these parameters affect intelligence (get all g_i that are positively correlated with IQ, combine them, and you get a super-enlightened being!). Second, my 3rd daughters birth was challenging. I am known as a word smith (and its an important part of my career, but Im not in journalism). Their career progress might have stalled due to stress and sleep deprivation. I have always considered him more naturally gifted than me. What are some autism tests that are accurate and specific? The ICD-11, which was adopted this year and will be implemented globally by 2022, instead calls it autism spectrum disorder without disorder of intellectual development and with mild or no impairment of functional language. Proponents of the change hope to reduce stereotypes. @Cliff In Projections, and elsewhere, Deisseroth suggests that a major component of autism is as a bias or preference to information predictability, which anecdotally jives with what many people . They come from random plants or shiny rocks or stuff Alexander Shulgin invented to get high. One other observation that may interest people. Autism And Intelligence: Much More Than You Wanted To Know People running an emulation of normal are usually not staggeringly intelligent. I suspect that this is the case. He taught himself the alphabet before he was 1 year old. There are ways to reduce the loop gain of the system to increase the maximum gain before feedback, but ultimately they involve careful sound engineering theres no general parameter you can turn down to fix the problem, because the primary parameter you _want_ is the same one that causes the breakdown. Beware Simpsons Paradox. A preference (or aptitude for) logical or systems thinking. Its similar with hearing. My wife is dyslexic; Im not. Being extroverted and popular is one of the biggest predictors of success and longevity, probably more important than IQ frankly although I dont have the studies in front of me. And second, doesnt it say that in the bottom graph, the dotted and solid lines represent unadjusted and adjusted estimates, respectively? There was definitely a sperg-normie dynamic on my last work team, all highly intelligent. required to answer an examiners quetsions[sic]. As for my own personal experience, Ive found that people with high conceptual intelligence (as opposed to mathematical intelligence) tend to be more charismatic. Im not an expert on biology or genetics or neuropsychology by any means, but I feel like youre onto something with the tower-and-foundation model. Because a masculinizing influence on the brain would militate against the development of brain structures telling the autistic person you are actually a girl.. I have no family history of autism. However being homozygous for this new mutation would lead to a person being red-green colorblind. I really like this change. You tell them that the study that tried to address that question suggests that they are between one point one and one point two times as likely; in other words, at least 83-90% of their chance to die in any given year is baseline. Shes a real handful to deal with and that deters quality men from being interested in her. One possible explanation is simply that autistic children born to poor parents/less intelligent parents/disadvantaged minorities are simply more likely to die in infancy/early childhood and thus never be diagnosed as being autistic to begin with. I am one of those people who has to run emulators to appear socially normal. For one, its multiple different kinds of mental tasks whose scores are then combined to get an IQ score. The entire idea of a gene for intelligence is just as silly as a gene for running fast. There are genes which have lower-order effects, and intelligence or running are higher-order capabilities that emerge from the lower-order system in complex ways (indeed, theres probably several more layers than that.) James Comeys twitter and book are exactly what Id expect from a career civil service person. If missing, intelligence develops a lot less/later/incompletely? You mentioned height, which I think is a good example too we have studies (possibly not good ones) showing that taller people have better outcomes, get treated nicer, are more attractive but people who get too tall have bad medical problems, shorter life expectancy. Hrm. One possibility would be something like a tower-vs-foundation model. This would also explain why theres a larger gap in autism diagnoses between rich and poor blacks and Hispanics than rich and poor whites more affluent blacks and Hispanics have access to the same resources as affluent whites do, while poor ones have worse resources than poor whites. Why on Earth one would assume that the effect of genes that contribute to IQ should be linearly additive and increasing to ad infinitum? My wifes father (an engineer) is likely autistic. Many such cases with Aspergers (me too), whereas for high functioning autism the deficit is inverted for processing vs visuo-spatial. A PhD in particle physics at 15 is incredibly impressive, but a programmer starting out of college at an FAANG who saves a bit will be a millionaire by 30. Its not about purely not working out, although I would say natural strength is a part of it (almost every wrestler can increase his in-match power through lifting still), its about the muscles being coordinated and firing at the right angles and right times to actually accomplish something. Im not sure how normal she is, but an acquaintance through RenFaire is head of some Army Corps of Engineers office in the Bay Area, and shes one of the very few people I consider noticeably more intelligent than me. I believe this is also the case for artificial neural networks, unless you are in pathological regimes that are too unstable to be useful. because it is in line with the current prevalence of autism diagnoses in children, but a bit lower. 2016, p. 118), and there are many individually varied connections between brain and behavior (Kennedy et al. After further consideration, Im unaware of any phenomenon which would correspond to a low-function, low-intelligence version. Indeed, blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans all have higher levels of overall learning disabilities than whites do. Indeed, higher survival rates over time might also explain why were seeing a real increase in the number of autistic children over time more of them are living long enough to be diagnosed with autism in the first place. It would be an excellent skill for a teacher. But extra cash helps pay for contest prizes, meetup expenses, and me spending extra time blogging instead of working. This is consistent with the existence of people in the past who seem to be about as bright as humans get. Or if (as really happens) it turns out that smart, ambitious people usually have their kids a decade later than dumb, unambitious people and usually the smart, ambitious people only have enough time in their fertility window for one kid while the dumb ones have time for three. You might want to adjust for inflation. It is often said that male IQ has the same mean as female IQ but greater variance, so you find more men in both tails of the IQ distribution. One solution is to view your family rather than your schoolmates as your peer group. The Charman et al study finds a correlation between autism and low IQ, by starting with a sample of autistic people and looking at their IQs. Is there anything you can do in terms of testing or practice to reduce your risk? Slate Star Codex was a blog by Scott Alexander about human cognition, politics, and medicine. Theres obviously no reason genetic factors would aggregate in a nice linear fashion in that kind of situation. https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/05/07/5-httlpr-a-pointed-review/ I would say that 80% of them carry a fair amount of weirdness with them, which shows in speech impediments, idiosyncratic/shitty clothing styles and obsessions with bizarre topics. Under https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/05/07/5-httlpr-a-pointed-review/ Murphy wrote: disorders like huntingtons where its theorized that theres a tradeoff between risk of death and IQ. This fits with my observations of my family (parents, siblings, kids) and other science majors in college. A link between Tay-Sachs gene and intelligence. Most cases of autism involve all three of these factors; that is, your overall autisticness is a combination of your familial genes, mutations, and environmental risk factors. Engineer/scientist social mixers with barbers/hairdressers and fashion merchandisers The post is laden with unsaid assumptions that do not make sense to me. A mutation in the pigment for the red cone allows a person to see two shades of red. Having more diverse cones means that they can differentiate shades of red that other people would see as identical. https://sci-hub.tw/10.1176/appi.ajp.2018.18070881. Strongly agree. a decline in IQ scores, in Norway, Denmark, Australia, Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, France and German-speaking countries,[4] a development which appears to have started in the 1990s, the Flynn effect has ended for the majority in developed nations, Research that has examined whether g factor and IQ gains from the Flynn effect are related have found there is a negative correlation between the two. I remember seeing that article 10 years ago and Ive never followed up, so replication not guaranteed. I have not read the other comments, so maybe someone already pointed this out, but I wish to file a complaint. In other words, if your perceptual intelligence is much higher than your other types of intelligence, you will end up autistic. For example, they are not extremely aggressive, but tend to be gentle individuals. The lectins in wheat interfere with leptin receptors, making people leptin resistant and therefore obese. It would explain the association of genes for intelligence with autism (holding foundation strength constant, the taller the tower, the more likely a failure). However, history doesnt always predict the future. Do a lot of super smart people play the game? threshold and massive achievement, massive achievement should have exploded in recent decades. They also have higher rates of having children with multiple partners. Indeed. Any chance its just a matter of recessive genes? Isnt autism a bit more sensitive to increased parental age than many other mental disorders? I dont think this paragraph fits the note in the image. And at least a few of them were probably just lying outright. She has absolute pitch, an attribute that is quite rare in the general population, but she says an amazingly high proportion of her autistic students have it to some degree, even when they didnt know it. Then why is there a genetic link? Have children earlier, maybe? Very simple and wrong toy model: If we take the Ronemus and Gardner studies seriously, the answer seems to be yes. Another, potentially related, possibility is that we are disproportionately likely to diagnose white kids with autism rather than other forms of mental disability. Check out their free anti-anxiety guide here. The fact that nobody has noticed and studied an effect in a subgroup is evidence that the subgroup does not have a large effect. Gifted children dont always have gifted families, though. No guarantees in biology, but you can try to find a future partner with no such family history. Even when you get it high enough, to the point of being too much of a good thing, if its a rock show some people are still going to want it higher. Id say so. Someone at the 99.0 percentile for intelligence would probably seem quite mediocre by SSC standards. This would explain low-functioning autism from de novo mutations or obstetric trauma (the foundation is so weak that it fails no matter how short the tower is). As long as I kept useful inventions flowing out of my lab, I think hed pay me well and insulate me from social criticism. Guys autism is not a thing. The results from the large trial seem consistent with there being a yet-undifferentiated subtype of autism that responds moderately to significantly. This shows a) there isnt much of a childhood autism epidemic going on, its more likely that previous underdiagnosis occurred. As the authors put it: Because the ASD diagnosis is defined by just two symptoms from an individuals complete set of symptoms, an ASD-defined sample is widely over-inclusive, capturing many different lifelong conditions that can arise from a complex combination of multiple genetic and environmental factors (Dawson 2016, para. Some vaguely similar term like high functioning autism would be used. I view it as absolutely crucial that bright kids get to socialize with kids like them, and also that someone teaches them how to be a functional person. Suppose the only study on age-related mortality shows that people older than 30 are 1.2x more likely to die in a given year than people younger than 30, but does not give any other information. As a practical matter of course these disorder clusters can easily overlap and often do, as seen in the most recent DSM when they allowed co-diagnosis of autism and ADHD for the first time (by popular demand pretty much!). Go up a level and you can mash a bunch of sequential notes on a piano with one left out of the middle and they can tell you the highest note, lowest note, and the one you left out. Either way, I dont think you can have one without the other above a certain level. Interestingly, this one addresses the P>V, and V>P subtypes and suggests: children with ASD did not show the commonly understood characteristic profile on the WISC either in terms of PIQ-VIQ discrepancy or in terms of peak skills on particular WISC subtests. And in a sport like wrestling, which is heavily reliant on locks, holds, and pins, having those weak points could easily allow someone to overpower you. This has nothing to do with the OP, but I will definitely comment on your wrestling example, as a wrestler. This study of 45,000 Danes finds that genetic risk for autism correlates at about 0.2 with both IQ and educational attainment. Im not a great student of philosophy, but I dont think most modern philosophers look at the writings of Plato or Descartes or Kant or Hume and think they were intellectual lightweights.
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